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ChuckCubbison

USA
645 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2016 :  3:45:45 PM  Show Profile  Visit ChuckCubbison's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RedWolf

It's extremely likely, Chuck, that they were deceived; or, at the very least, that the so-called filmmakers just didn't use any footage that was positive. After all, *that* wouldn't have fit their actual agenda.

According to the recent story in the -Alaska Dispatch News-, the dead dog footage was from a person who never raced and wasn't even a musher. The article called him a "breeder". What he really was, as far as I can tell, was a hoarder. He wasn't part of the mushing lifestyle--but b/c he had Malamutes and Siberians, they figured nobody would ever know the difference and they could use it. And doG only knows how old the other footage they used is.



Yep, Frank Rich. The incident happened just before I moved to Alaska. As I understand it he was never a musher, more of a puppy mill. He most certainly was never an Iditarod musher.
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RedWolf

USA
79 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2016 :  03:03:52 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I hadn't wanted to say his name aloud, but that's the guy. He wasn't any kind of musher at all. And in some ways, that's what's so almost-laughable ('cept I *don't* think it's funny *at all*) about those who did this mock-umentary: they couldn't find any actual discrediting material, so they had to resort to pathetic stunts like using footage from a non-mushing animal-hoarder/puppy mill guy instead.

The problem is that there are people out there who don't know the actuality of things, and often they won't be sensible enough to look past the surface. And that's what's got me riled.
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kissAnew

Canada
105 Posts

Posted - 11/20/2016 :  08:51:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In my limited knowledge of the human psyche I am under the illusion that we as humans in our inflated ego will believe only that which we choose to believe no matter matter how much info we are subjected/blessed with. Most times the more info we receive seems to be used only to confirm/add to/re-affirm/embellish our initial chosen impression/opinion.
I am also under the illusion that most mushers(generally speaking) are better examples of honesty, humility and open caring than most other humans(groups, cliques, and very sadly even the vast majority of people calling the self "Christian")) that I've met in my short life(58 harvesting seasons).
I for one feel a strong need to yell at top of my voice to tell most humans to wake up but also believe that humans that BS others will have it thrown back in their face or at least see it thrown into the face/s of the one/s they love the most.
In my language we say(hard to use English to sound it but I'll try) caw wih tsi nan. It essentially translates to "bless or curse your self to a 4 fold". I think I have heard some say it's kind of like the word "karma".
I encourage all mushers to continue being good humans and treat ALL of Creation with love and respect. We will be the ones to lead(nee kon asstihm(the foremost dog)) the rest of the (human) pack into a better future. And humans(such as Fern & Frank and like thinkers/doers)mentioned in this thread will fall into a nasty place of being of their own creation.
Me personally, if it weren't for my dogs teaching me compassion, forgiveness, loyalty, honesty and a whole host of other good spirits I know I would most likely ended up in prison for many multiples of assaults. I know however that Frank & Fern types will never write that. Their loss.......

I think Life is Beauty waiting to be found and appreciated. ...like mushing.
kissAnew(the long A sound) ="old man" in language of Ininiwak (Humans/People[Cree])
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kissAnew

Canada
105 Posts

Posted - 11/20/2016 :  3:46:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gee, this topic has been on my mind all darn day.
Close to home since I've essentially depended on dogs for so many aspects of my life for so many years.
I am trying to let it go. It's just that I run into so many people who are so.......uhmmm....nevermind. Don't wanna go there.
My Nana often said,"We see only what we want and hear only what we want." &"We can give away only that which we have."
I am trying to see a positive angle but it appears some people just tenaciously hang onto their misery.
I think those people need therapy to deal with the trauma they suffered as a child and stop with the subtle lateral violence.
I'm gonna keep on mushin is all. If they come against me I'll kindly show off my ancestral home with a smile a wave "Good on your way by."

I think Life is Beauty waiting to be found and appreciated. ...like mushing.
kissAnew(the long A sound) ="old man" in language of Ininiwak (Humans/People[Cree])
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midnightwind

Canada
514 Posts

Posted - 11/27/2016 :  7:17:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/sled-dogs-mushers-reaction-bc-culling-euthanizing-1.3867429
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RedWolf

USA
79 Posts

Posted - 11/28/2016 :  03:17:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I love that there's a link to the Cornell study which proves that (despite all the Shakespearean sound-and-fury coming from "animal rights" lunatics) tethering is NOT inhumane or cruel.

Indeed, a direct quote from the pdf: "Because dogs circled in some situations that were not considered stressful but rather were considered playing or greeting, circling on a tether may not always be stereotypic. In the pen, there was more pacing and barking than on the tether. The fact that neither pens nor tethers are unacceptable environments for dogs is indicated by the lack of abnormal behaviors despite years of tethering."

And since free-running is such a common practice among mushers (and increasing in common-ness all the time), dogs probably consider tether time as down-time. Heck, even in the study most of the time the dogs were just lounging around.

Edited by - RedWolf on 11/28/2016 03:20:09 AM
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kissAnew

Canada
105 Posts

Posted - 11/28/2016 :  09:56:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We humans are the only part of Creation that has apparently forgotten and//or left "The Circle of Life". I think we have seen only what suits our ego when we read"....and have dominion...." parts of the bible. Our egos have created a doctrine that is not natural thusly we are unable to comprehend nature.
My dogs are on 20 foot chains that are attached to pegs driven into the ground(chains at ground level). Their houses are moved according to the seasons. Facing south,southeast for winter and north for summer. Each house has its own earth floored "porch" and "sun/shade room".
Every 6 months I move the pegs( end of June and Jan) to a different yard.
Every dog can reach at least 2 friends except the males can't reach to breed the females. I have 6ft high "Buffaloe fence" around the entire area. They all get to run around for a cpl hrs. Of course there is the odd squabble. At least there ain't no wars.
Construction of *fence and ^houses is not circular because of *strength/durability and ^$$/limited engineering abilities
Even during free time a lot of my dogs are still just "lounging around.". When they are on their chains they are safely in their "circle" with their house facing a comfortable and efficient direction. I can't say that(circle) for the vast majority of humans living in unnatural environment of squares and rectangles and other straight lines in/on pavement and cement and glass.

I haven't seen the entire "mockumentary" so I can't really call it that, but,...... If these people are gonna paint all musher and/or dog owners with the same brush essentially saying that we should all keep our dogs in kennels( not circular), crates( not circular), houses/apartments(not circular), ....then it seems these very(using the "same brush" here)people are perpetuating me hating Jews hating Christians hating Black People hating White People hating Gooks hating Chinks hating Japs hating Rednecks hating Hillbillys....the "same brush" cycle continues.
.I can totally relate to,the headline ..."Musher threatens legal action over Sled Dogs documentary." I can also relate to euthanizing my own. I will not allow my dogs to be forced into a crate or have them dissected or subjected to eating "dead and diseased pets..."(which by the way 30% end up up in the commercial pet food industry along with diseased cows, horses, pigs, fish and cereal grains that deemed unfit for human consumption). I say again my dogs have saved my life in so many ways most humans will never be able to comprehend. I am passionate about their life and their circle.
I say again, regarding "these people" ( and correcting myself with bold "off")" If they come against me I'll kindly show them off my ancestral lands with a smile and "Good on your way by!".
I am passionate about my love of life and nature. I have little room in my life for hate.....so I guess I don't have much room in my life for haters either.
In writing this it my hope that these haters see my post and hopefully learn to open their eyes, mind, heart and spirit to life...... That or accept my gracious invitation to extepritate their hate/darkness/selves from the light of my ancestral lands to their chosen place of darkness away from me and mine, including this beautiful part of Creation I and hundreds of generations of parts of my bloodlines have called home.

If we don't wake up and stand true together soon we will segregate mushers into racial, belief system, sex, income bracket, rural dwelling, urban dwelling, LGD/county, state/province, country, licenced mushers, 6ft3&1/4inches tall, 189.3759 lb, blue eyed, curly brunette, married, classes only.

I think Life is Beauty waiting to be found and appreciated. ...like mushing.
kissAnew(the long A sound) ="old man" in language of Ininiwak (Humans/People[Cree])

Edited by - kissAnew on 01/07/2017 08:47:17 AM
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kissAnew

Canada
105 Posts

Posted - 11/28/2016 :  10:03:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

On a more singular/segregated/personal note, I ain't too worried. The landmass most know as The New World(North and South America)is my ancestral homeland. I can legally mush anywhere anytime I want. I haven't pushed it yet but if necessary I will utilize and legally enforce the laws I know that afford me that freedom.
However I love the concept of genetic diversity getting along in harmony and peace.
I'm wondering if we can find a way to unite and pool $$ for a/team of lawyer/s to do something about all of this for al mushers.

I think Life is Beauty waiting to be found and appreciated. ...like mushing.
kissAnew(the long A sound) ="old man" in language of Ininiwak (Humans/People[Cree])
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RedWolf

USA
79 Posts

Posted - 11/29/2016 :  03:14:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't have the link (viewed the article on ISDRA's news page) but one of the heads of the film festival claims that it's "well-researched".

So: using footage of a hoarder's animals (not relevant to the alleged topic), displaying a reckless disregard for the truth, and lying to people about the motives for filming means "well-researched" in today's lingo? What-EVER, as a valley girl would say.
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midnightwind

Canada
514 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2016 :  8:46:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
something goin' around:

https://www.facebook.com/TheCanadianCoalitionForSledDogs/
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RedWolf

USA
79 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2016 :  02:49:12 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
FB doesn't load on my computer...is this a good somethin' or a bad somethin'? (I hate the word "Coalition", so that's why I'm wondering.)
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ChuckCubbison

USA
645 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2016 :  06:49:24 AM  Show Profile  Visit ChuckCubbison's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RedWolf

FB doesn't load on my computer...is this a good somethin' or a bad somethin'? (I hate the word "Coalition", so that's why I'm wondering.)



The group has been started by mushers.
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midnightwind

Canada
514 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2016 :  07:12:53 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
some more: https://www.sleddoginfo.com/sleddog-home/#overview

work in progress but a good start
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kissAnew

Canada
105 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2017 :  08:42:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RedWolf

I don't have the link (viewed the article on ISDRA's news page) but one of the heads of the film festival claims that it's "well-researched".

So: using footage of a hoarder's animals (not relevant to the alleged topic), displaying a reckless disregard for the truth, and lying to people about the motives for filming means "well-researched" in today's lingo? What-EVER, as a valley girl would say.



LOL
Exactly

I think Life is Beauty waiting to be found and appreciated. ...like mushing.
kissAnew(the long A sound) ="old man" in language of Ininiwak (Humans/People[Cree])
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kissAnew

Canada
105 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2017 :  08:49:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by midnightwind

some more: https://www.sleddoginfo.com/sleddog-home/#overview

work in progress but a good start



I ran into a dead end on this link
I, in my endless inquisitiveness, would like to check it out
Please post more info how to access the link

I think Life is Beauty waiting to be found and appreciated. ...like mushing.
kissAnew(the long A sound) ="old man" in language of Ininiwak (Humans/People[Cree])
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