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musherdeb1
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 Posted - 01/23/2006 : 2:16:56 PM
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I have fed horse meat to my team and they love it. It is a good meat. I can understand the feelings of some of you. But.. The horses were going to die and the meat was going to be given to the worms instead. I am glad that we could recycle the meat to the dogs. It really does not matter where you get your "meat" from. Something had to die to give it. also the chickens and the other forms of meat you are feeding your dogs. The kibble has chicken in it. Let's see. Beaver, lamb, fish and i could go on. We have sled dogs. They eat meat. They dont go out and hunt it themselves we do it for them. I eat meat. When i eat a steak i dont worry about where it came from i just enjoy it.
The best meat i ever gave my dogs came from 2 old horses. great meat.
just my 2 cents worth on this one. |
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acesario
USA
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Posted - 02/15/2006 : 3:22:25 PM
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i understand the sympathy for horses as pets. I couldnt feed my horse to the dogs (although i could probably let someone else take it away for such if it were old, crippled etc). But someone elses work horse who is set for the grave i would certainly not mind taking in and feeding to my dogs as long as its not on medication.
I think Gary paulsen wrote a story about an old timer who brought the carcass of a huge work horse that had served him well for years and years to Garys kennel on a trailer because he didnt want to see it go to waste. |
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jake
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2006 : 04:54:50 AM
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There is another more important facet to horse meat:
A few years ago the American Association of Zoological Parks(AAZP) did a study on longevity of animals fed horsemeat versus other meats, usually commercial processed ground meat mixes and found the horsemeat fed carnivores had far shorter longevity then the beef based commercial mixes.
Horse meat contains higher amounts of natural steroids as phosphorus compounds then the other meats which degraded the kidneys of the animals. This goes along with the flight instinct of horses, the natural steroids enable the flight instinct to be realized.
Another effect was far greater incidences of early senility, thought to be due to the slower clensing of toxins from the body.
Overal there was a clear 20-25% shorter lifespan of hosemeat fed carnivores then other meats.
food for thought. |
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snozilla
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2006 : 3:35:13 PM
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That's interesting... Where is this research? I can't find anything about this in any of my University's journal searches or Google Scholar. Got any keyword hints for me?
How does this steroid deal work for carnivores that eat gazelles, deer, caribou, rabbits and many other animals that have a flight response to danger?
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Margaret
Canada
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Posted - 02/16/2006 : 6:08:02 PM
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| Hmmm, might explain why carnivores in the wild don't live as long as carnivores in captivity (on average). |
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jake
USA
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Posted - 03/16/2006 : 05:33:47 AM
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I dont know if the Americam Zoological Parks and Aquariums (AZPA) website is still up, it would be in their archives, also much of the research was done at the Smithsonian(Washington, D.C.) Zoo,
As I recall horsemeat has the highest phosphorus levels of all meats, it makes sense when you consider the distances they run, wheras gazelles etc typically run half to three quarters of a mile. Rarely more.
A few years ago a great number of the zoos in the US got frozen meat mixes from a company in Quebec, it was mostly horsemeat but had other meats plus organ meats, it was packaged in ten pound 'sausage packs' like hamburger is in a lot of stores, Quebec has a number of commercial horse packing plants, a lot of horses were shipped up there for years.
I have no idea how phosphorus levels in zebras compare with domestic horsemeat. But also wild carnivores also eat all the carcass not just the meat, and not exclusively on zebra meat.So wild carnivores are getting a lot of bone and organ meat in their diets.
Venison does have higher phosphorus levels then beef or other non-horsemeat red meat. But not as high as horsemeat.
They did another interesting study in comparing skulls of wild collected lions from the Serengetti with skulls of Serengetti decended lions in captivity and found major differences in skull shapes and size due to much more massive muscular development of the jaws on the wild collected lions. The zoo lions born and raised in the zoo often had ground meat mixes, and far fewer bones.So they changed the diet to include more bones and small carcasses to chew up and eat. This study was done at the Smithsonian, zoo and museum.
Anyhow, my dogs get meat, but no horsemeat. And lots of bones with scraps on them. |
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Horse Meat vs Beef?
