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Powderhound
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 Posted - 10/26/2005 : 1:03:04 PM
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| Anyone experience a dog vomiting white foam during a run? If so, what causes this and how can it be treated? |
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RunnerUp
Sweden
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Posted - 10/26/2005 : 1:36:28 PM
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You might have an infection on your(or rather the dogs) throat.
Check the tonsils, they might be red and swollen, if so, let the dog have a week off.
Ride on! |
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musherbryan
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 01:07:49 AM
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| Are your dogs drinking during, or shortly before the run? I've seen a few of my dogs who choose to drink far too much vomit "foam". I assume , like a milk shake all that water is being aerated pretty well in the stomach... just an idea. |
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Jessica Doherty
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 12:13:53 PM
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Does she have white foam on her face after the run? All mine come back all foamed up every run. This usually happens to dogs that work very hard. Sometimes, the foamier ones vomit a little up after, I imagine because they swallow some of it. I can't tell you for certain but I'm pretty sure it comes from their saliva somehow -- but can't say how or why it gets foamy.
Does she seem fine otherwise? Is she a hard worker? Does she ususally have a foamy mouth and face after a run? |
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anytimedog
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 1:15:40 PM
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A couple of us have looked at foam vs clear saliva when the dog is working. We've come to believe its a feed/diet thing. If the dog runs hot they create foam. Not hot as far as outside temperature but internal temperature. Has nothing to do with how hard it runs has been our experience. The cleaner the ingredients in the feed the less foam build up is one guess that were looking at.
Powderhound you need to give more information. As what was stated what are you doing before the run,water,feeding,and how close to the run and how much. It sounds like a dog with to much water before the run and warm temperatures without knowing more. |
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Powderhound
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 1:53:22 PM
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Thanks for the responses, guys. I do not think it is an infection, as this has persisted for more than a year now and there are no other symptoms of disease. It is also not the typical foam around the mouth. About 5 miles (warmer temps) to 15 miles (colder temps) into a run, the dog will vomit up gobs of white foam. It seems to be in discomfort while doing this, but will continue to run, although more vomiting episodes may follow. This only happens during runs, outside of that the dog looks healthy. Abdominal x-rays were negative. The dog is usually watered a few hours before a run, but is not an excessive drinker. The feed is a 50:50 mixture of high-quality kibble and meat (beef, chicken, tripe) plus vitamins, minerals and CaPO4 ,fed once per day typically at least 12 hours before a run. This is a five-year-old dog and a great worker. He just started doing this within the last year. Diet has not changed measurably in that time. He came from a large litter, none of which show this trait.
Is this something that is dangerous enough to warrant not running this dog? What leads you to believe it is a feed/diet thing? How do you keep a dog from "running hot"? What solutions have you all that have experienced this come up with? Thanks. |
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Shawn
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 2:07:51 PM
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| I have a couple who get white foam on their face while running, To me this is the dogs saliva slopping while they are panting when running. I have to disagree that it is a diet thing. If that was the case I would see it in all the dogs.The dogs with the foam are the hardest driving hardest working dogs.I dont have any that vomit.Like others have said could be dog drinking too much right before running.I assume the saliva is getting foam due to transfer of air rapidly while running.. |
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Jessica Doherty
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 2:28:05 PM
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I'm interested in your observations about the foam/saliva...
I am pretty confident in saying that normal/cool running dogs that run easy will not heat up as much as if they run hard.
I can also say that one of my dogs runs hot, and is usually foamy, but the others do not run hot but they all run with the same intensity, and all have foam after a run, with the hot dog having the most consistently. I would belive it has something to do with the internal temp of the dog, even though most of mine run normal, we have been running in warm temps and with high intensity, which will raise the internal temp of most any dog, even the real cool running ones.
Also, what is your definintion of "clean ingredients"? I feed, what I would call, an extremely clean diet, but I guess it all depends on your definition. Why do you think it has to do with feed rather than the dog's internal temperature -- as your 3rd sentence states? |
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SKIJOR#1
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 6:30:44 PM
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Here is my thoughts on the white foam thing. I see it often on my dogs. They are all hounds. Anywhere from 1/4s to full hound. It is my hardest workers that foam the most. I think is is just how much air is blended with the saliva when breathing hard. the harder the worker the more foam.
My dog Willie is the hardest worker I have, and always the most foamed (there I go being boastful again). He is also the most heat resistant of my group. Always recovering well before most of the others, so I am not thinking it is totally heat related.
I also discount the diet thing as I would not be suprised that all of these respondants to this topic feed differantly, yet we all get foam. I have never had an issue with so much foam that a dog is vomiting.
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dashinsam
USA
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Posted - 10/28/2005 : 06:53:15 AM
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I'm not sure that we're answering Franks's question. He's not referring to foam around the mouth, that yes we often see with especially hard working dogs, he's talking about a dog that stops to vomit a white foam. This is not something I've observed with my dogs and sounds like it would be disruptive to team performance which is I'm sure why Frank is asking about, in additin to wondering what's going on with this dog.
I've also observed dogs "foam" around the mouth when they are stressed. I don't know if a dog that was stressed while running might vomit the same?
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Jill Wilson
The Dashing Kennel
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anytimedog
USA
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Posted - 10/28/2005 : 12:59:57 PM
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Some dogs know matter what you do will have foamy saliva. I say feed is one thing were looking at because we find it interesting that with a diet change the same dogs saliva becomes clear and dosen't foam. I call a clean feed one that uses clean ingredents. Not one that claims it but but actually dose. It may not be right but its ironic that a diet change has made a difference in more then one dog.
Lets Look at it this way. If your truck was meant to run on regular unleaded but you think it needs high octane it will run hoter in theory related to dogs. Also if theres water in the gas it spudders and spits. The purer(Ingredients)the gas the better it burns. I don't know if its right. Its just something we couldn't get good enough answers to. So us laymen have to take it into our own hands sometimes.
On internal body temperature. Again I have a theory that by letting the dogs run loose in the summers in the heat of the day they will learn to regulate there internal temperatures. Thats the hope. 2 years ago Ryan Redington dogs loped by mine on a 40 degree day in Feb. when mine were like slugs. I think I trained in colder weather and that was why. But, some people have made different comments to me so i don't know if thats why or not. So I've been really thinking about this. I realize larger kennels have the dogs to choose from that run cooler on warmer days. The Redingtons have a large kennel but also gives rides at Iditarod all summer. So they can pick out dogs that run cooler.
Back on subject. I had a dog that gulp air. He took it in in gulps and not just steady breathing. He would kinda bloat from it. I would feel the dogs stomach and see if he bloats somewhat. My tended to burp alot. What I thought was happening is there was to much air in the stomach which would cause him to throw up water and food sometimes to relieve the pressure. I don't know but its interesting that the dog just started doing it and the test came back normal. Talk a little about the situations when it happens. |
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Barking,Screaming,
Howling dogs live here. |
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mooselook
USA
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Posted - 10/28/2005 : 3:05:22 PM
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| Most of our dogs will occasionally vomit white foam--not while running, but just hanging around. I've always thought the foam was produced by the "churning" motions they go through to bring up a vomit. It's preceded by a lot of stomach in-and-out movement, neck stretching and arching, and loud breathing. Sometimes it goes on for what seems like an eternity, maybe 30 to 40 seconds. Finally, up comes this blob of white foam and perhaps a few blades of grass or very occasionally a small amount of food. Because it's not a regular thing, maybe two to four times a year, I haven't been all that concerned about it. |
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Mike Rosario
USA
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Posted - 10/28/2005 : 6:45:50 PM
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| I have noticed white/foamy vomit with certain dogs of mine as well. I have only seen it after a dog drinks water after a run. Usually these dogs have been the harder workers. |
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anytimedog
USA
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Posted - 10/29/2005 : 11:18:29 PM
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Could a muscle pull or strained muscle cause it? Not the foamy saliva but the throwing up part? I did when I cracked my ribs. Another idea is maybe the dogs becoming nausea's and thats why. Maybe adding probionics will help.
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Anytimedog
Barking,Screaming,
Howling dogs live here. |
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