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RedWolf

USA
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Posted - 06/01/2015 :  7:55:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Have you factored into your cost-projection the feed for those 3 female rabbits which hopefully will produce 12 offspring per litter 4 Xs per year, and the stud-fees for breeding them (if you don't already own the male), and housing costs for the females and their albeit-temporary offspring, and potential vet bills if something goes wrong w/ a pregnancy? And have they been vaccinated against tularemia?
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Hank The Tank

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 06/02/2015 :  12:13:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't interfere with momma rabbits. A bag of feed cost $15 I get a discount 4-H/FFA family. So $14 for a 50lb bag and for the 21 show rabbits and mommas I currently have 1 bag last 3-5 weeks( depends on how many kits) so for the 3Does 1 bag would last me 2months maybe more. When the kits are eating on their own a bag would probably last 3weeks.
We don't vaccinate and we have our bucks( I don't know of anyone studding out a buck with a cost)
We have the pen already, just got to fix it up
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CAM

USA
92 Posts

Posted - 06/02/2015 :  07:40:10 AM  Show Profile  Visit CAM's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I've found that on a per pound basis, it takes about twice as much meat as kibble to get the same calories, depending on the meat and the kibble. This means that if I feed my dog 1 pound of kibble per day (about 4 cups of Red Paw) it will take 2 pounds of ground beef (about 20% fat supplemented with corn oil and bone meal), or if I feed 3/4 pound of kibble (about 3 cups of Red Paw) it will take 1 1/2 pounds of meat per day per dog. I usually feed some combination of both depending how much of each I have on hand.

It would be cheaper for you to feed only Red Paw than to raise the rabbits.

Rabbit - approximately $40 to get 48 pounds of meat = $.83 per pound
Red Paw - approximately $45 for 40 pounds of kibble = $1.13 per pound

At 2 pounds of rabbit per day, it will cost $1.66 per day per dog and you will still need to find a fat source. At 1 pound of kibble per day, it will cost $1.13 per day per dog and no extra fat necessary.

It costs me $.65 per pound to get ground beef in 10 pound bags to my kennel in Montana all the way from Minnesota. For those who live in Minnesota and can pick it up at the butcher, it is only $.35 per pound. If you look around, I bet you could find a meat source that is cheaper and less effort than raising rabbits.

I suggest you use a quality kibble like Red Paw or something equivalent and whatever decent quality meat you can find for a reasonable price. Look around for something cheap to free even if you have to drive a little ways to get it. With only 2 dogs you won't need much meat and a single large chest freezer will hold 6 months to a year's worth.
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Hank The Tank

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 06/02/2015 :  11:23:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So what I've come to see is rabbit is pretty much a snack. lol
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RSmith

USA
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Posted - 06/03/2015 :  08:25:00 AM  Show Profile  Visit RSmith's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Not sure if Greyhound racing is legal in Kansas but I'd find out where those guys buy their meat to feed their dogs. OR large kennels of foxhounds/Bird dogs/Hunting dogs, any number of large kennels usually or often feed a meat based diet. And lot of times you can even cater to some extent how much fat you want in the stuff. Chicken backs are also often readily available as well which are one third meat/skins/and bones. Obvioiusly its not RED meat but just throwing some ideas out there.
Most red meat here in NYS ( not for human consumption ) is .20 to .35 cents per pound and chicken backs and other parts .40 cents per pound ( FDA for soup,etc. ).

You will do much better than trying to grow your own meat. Get an inexpensive upright or chest freezer and go with a number of 3/4 a lb. per day per dog for starters.

good luck.

Roy Smith
Adirondack Kennel
Skandinavian Hounds/Stagsters
http://www.adirondack-kennel.com

Edited by - RSmith on 06/03/2015 08:26:49 AM
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Hank The Tank

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2015 :  11:34:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks guys. I'll update you when I figure out what I'm going to do. So far I think I'm getting Redpaw
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Mutt338

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 06/07/2015 :  09:25:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yikes bud I think you're in the wrong forum. If you have a Facebook I suggest checking out the Raw Feeding Community on tips to feeding an all raw diet...
rabbit alone is no good, not enough nutrients. I was always under the impression that one should feed variety of meats both white and red. My crews main meat is deer but I've thrown in fish that I caught, or discount chicken at the store....
have you heard of the 80/10/10 rule? It helps make sure a diet is balanced, since an unbalanced raw diet can cause problems...it will show in performance first. Consider checking out that group. I believe they have a website too but it isn't as helpful.
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calia

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 06/10/2015 :  6:39:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have been raising meat rabbits for my own consumption and for the dogs. Your production projection is way off, even though a rabbit can produce 200-300lbs per year that doesn't mean that they will. Those estimates are based on extreme breeding practices, where the doe is pregnant more often then not and she is pretty much spent by 2-3yrs of age. Very rarely will you get a litter that has more than 10 kits, average is generally 6-8 kits. Unless you have does with really strong mothering instincts and really know what you are doing, there is a good chance of loosing some of the kits before they are even weaned.

To reduce costs, most butcher when the rabbit is between 8-10wks old. Genetics, feed type, and experience will factor into the size of the rabbit by that age. If you don't have fast growing lines or experience, you may wind up with kits that have a live weight of 3lbs with a processed weight of 1.5-2lbs. You could choose to grow the kits out beyond that age, but the longer you wait the more they cost per pound.

And like what has already been said, rabbit meat is too lean to be a main source of sustenance. A healthy rabbit carcass is so low in fat that you can actually get sick from it. Any fat that does build up on a rabbit, which can happen if you overfeed them, isn't that palatable.

It's great that you are planning to raise meat rabbits, but realistically unless you plan on having 20+ rabbits you're not going to be able to produce enough meat to feed your dogs. Raise a few to supplement your own diet, and give what you don't eat to the dogs. That's really the better way to go.
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