SDC Talk!
SDC Talk!
Home | Profile | Active Topics | Members | Search | FAQ
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

 All Forums
 Breed Discussion
 Hybrids/Crossbreds
 Breeding for "Grande Odyssée" race
 New Topic  Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Previous Page | Next Page
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic
Page: of 3

northenough

USA
242 Posts

Posted - 03/15/2012 :  07:33:34 AM  Show Profile  Visit northenough's Homepage  Reply with Quote
All right, Chad, then maybe Julien should go buy his dogs from Jesse Royer then? C'mon. I still suggest not using Iditarod dogs unless one would care to sort through a lot of pups. I also recommend Julien do a lot of comparative race results research and use common sense- what would the chances be that Royer would beat Streeper in a stage race? Not to take any success away from Jesse or Buser or anyone.

The race speeds are relative and are averages. They are also trail condition dependent. You should have seen those trails at the Atta Boy. Many days it was at least a foot deeep to run through for 40 miles. That indeed takes a tough dog, but if you can't also run very fast fo-get-it.
Go to Top of Page

jake

USA
1513 Posts

Posted - 03/15/2012 :  07:43:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Averages is what its about, that said, looking at the hills on the video that Julien posted they are significant. very.

That said, I would suggest that looking closely at the top four kennels of the Wy Stagestop would be an excellent place to be looking, as well as source tough dogs in his area.

Streepers, Pecks, Becks et als would be hard to go wrong with. But, its going to take a lot of money too.

I really wish that we had more stagestops here in NA. I love the format, and the dogs that can do them. And I think that more of them would encourage more mushers to focus on them. Maybe the UP in Mi?


Jake

Mikado, MI

Edited by - jake on 03/15/2012 08:50:39 AM
Go to Top of Page

qw

USA
112 Posts

Posted - 03/15/2012 :  09:10:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You could be right Mark. I have never seen the streepers run an 11 day race, so who knows? Why don't you take your own advice and buy some Streeper dogs?
Go to Top of Page

jake

USA
1513 Posts

Posted - 03/15/2012 :  09:32:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Also, which Streeper.

Although I wouldnt knock any of them.

As I said, look at the top 4 finishers of the Stagestop for a stud and/or breeders and it'd be hard to go wrong.


Jake

Mikado, MI
Go to Top of Page

RSmith

USA
3105 Posts

Posted - 03/15/2012 :  4:24:47 PM  Show Profile  Visit RSmith's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jake your last statement says it all.

" As I said, look at the top 4 finishers of the Stagestop for a stud and/or breeders and it'd be hard to go wrong "


ALso, what about dogs like Pluto, Hop - Sailor, Ginger, Horse, those lines seem very prevalent in Stage and sprint across the board in top teams. The base of Doug S.'s kennel is all Gareth Wright dogs seems but I am not sure his IROD teams?

Certain breedings "click" and a lot of Ellis hound lines X to the above lines seem to. Among others of course, but I guess my point is there IS some common themes that cross well together for what you want to do and it is not hard to figure out which lines do so why not just ROLL WITH THAT?
I can almost guarantee (lets say 95% confidence interval) that Terry and Buddy's lines will go an WIN 11 days in hills or flats.
So study those lines, there is no secrets out there.

Roy Smith
Adirondack Kennel
Skandinavian Hounds/Stagsters
http://www.adirondack-kennel.com

Edited by - RSmith on 03/15/2012 4:28:28 PM
Go to Top of Page

qw

USA
112 Posts

Posted - 03/15/2012 :  5:42:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am not going to get into an argument, I am sure Terry and Buddy would do great in that race. That doesn't mean the rest of us novices would do great with those same lines or dogs. I know what kind of dog I could get to the finish line the fastest, and for each musher the style of dog might be a little different.
Go to Top of Page

SKIJOR#1

USA
700 Posts

Posted - 03/15/2012 :  8:54:52 PM  Show Profile  Visit SKIJOR#1's Homepage  Reply with Quote
QW, Tell us all what kind of dogs you feel can get you to the finish line the fastest?

Johnn Molburg, www.arcticstarsleds.com
Go to Top of Page

Sniper

Canada
62 Posts

Posted - 03/15/2012 :  11:08:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The top team in Wyoming Stage race was Buddy, third team was John Stewart driving Streeper's second team and the fourth place team Brent Beck was made up mostly of dogs he has purchased from Streepers. So 64 dogs top 4 teams 44 came from Streepers. Team 6 and 7 both had dogs on their team from Streepers as well.
Go to Top of Page

jake

USA
1513 Posts

Posted - 03/16/2012 :  09:06:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Julien

I am wondering, how long are you thinking it will take you for this project?

Are you looking for some dogs to make you competitive or a full breeding program? Either can take some time. I think it is well worth doing both paths.

Jake

Mikado, MI
Go to Top of Page

JuBu

Canada
6 Posts

Posted - 03/16/2012 :  12:54:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks everybody for your advices and opinions. Sorry not to have replied before, I just did a long trip to France for holidays.
I think I will begin with my first idea of buying two Streeper females and to find a good stage race's' stud to breed them.
I'm maybe wrong, I'm maybe right, that's the game in mushing and breeding.
I plan to start breeding between 6 months and 1 year. I think this project will take me at least 5 or 6 years, if I'm lucky and serious. Time for the puppies to grow, and time for them and me to get experience. I plan to do mid distance races at the beginning, and maybe after to the trophies around the "Grande Odyssée" where some mushers just do a few stage of the Odyssey.
Thanks again to take the time to reply.
Go to Top of Page

jake

USA
1513 Posts

Posted - 03/16/2012 :  2:02:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good luck on your buying Julien, I think you will be off to a good start on your team. To do that race competitively is going to take a lot of work, but it sure looks like its worth it just to do well in it. Let us know please how you make out in the various stages.

Jake

Mikado, MI
Go to Top of Page

JuBu

Canada
6 Posts

Posted - 03/16/2012 :  3:21:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks a lot Jake, it won't be hard for me to work with this dogs, it will be hard for my wife not to see me enough! I keep you informed of my choices.
Go to Top of Page

jake

USA
1513 Posts

Posted - 03/16/2012 :  8:20:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Julien

You may need to get her a team too !

Jake

Mikado, MI
Go to Top of Page

northenough

USA
242 Posts

Posted - 03/18/2012 :  2:04:15 PM  Show Profile  Visit northenough's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Look, it's no big secret: go to the proven lines. But, use that only for a starting point because that alone will not guarantee success. Proven for what? Who are the performers of that line, but who are the producers if you want to breed? Big difference, and you're better off w/ a proven producer than a champion if you breed. Absolutely important to remember is that dogs with the same pedigree do not have the same genes!

Chad, all "poking fun" aside, my advice was not to as a rule go out and buy Streeper dogs or anyone's dogs in particular. That's not the point. And, thank you, I actually have taken my own advice, which is "be smart with your breeding". My wife and I have averaged only a little over one litter a year (9 puppies) of dogs with a closed gene pool. We've learned by necessity to become better breeders. We like the dogs we work with and enjoy that extra challenge. The game's the same in mixed breeds anyway, just at another level. We have become very good at it. Why else can we go to the races and beat most of you people that have no restrictions to your breeding or buying except maybe your budget? For us, we can no longer go out and buy dogs that are as good as ours, let alone better. A Siberian thing. So, any of you guys want to try that breeding program with all the restrictions? I didn't think so.

Another thing: we've noticed (ouch!) that the last 5-7 years our races here in the Midwest have jumped to another level of competition. Teams have gotten a little better, but mostly there are just more of those good teams. A lot of teams we used to beat are up there battling for the top. Why? Better dogs and more of'em. From where? Some from local, small kennel breeding programs, but mostly from buying dogs from bigger kennels. A lot of mushers I know have tried to breed their own teams and have subsequently thrown in the towel when few to none of the pups make their team. Most bought big name dogs and bred them, some took their own female to a well-known stud. Very mixed results, though there are a few very good teams comprised of their own pups. I have seen people making the same mistakes as we made as we tried to improve our own Siberians through the years.

My advice is in the spirit of helping people to save time, effort, and money, and to avoid disappointment and heartache. Just trying to help.

Mark
Go to Top of Page

qw

USA
112 Posts

Posted - 03/19/2012 :  12:50:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am not an expert on any format, however one obvious point we all may have forgotten is what other formats(other than stage racing) a person might be interested in racing. If a person was going to do sprint and stage the streeper type lines might be the best option(or Levitski lines for my purebreed friends). If a person was doing more distance type racing along with stage racing I think the swingley or buser type huskies would be the obvious choice. It sure seems like a longshot somebody could breed a line of dogs anymore capable of winning ONAC and Iditarod.
Go to Top of Page
Page: of 3 Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
Previous Page | Next Page
 New Topic  Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Jump To:
SDC Talk! © © Sled Dog Central Go To Top Of Page
Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.07