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flyinalong Posted - 02/04/2010 : 7:23:35 PM
What dewormer do you guys use for whipworms? I used Safegaurd, but am wondering if there is anything more cost effective out there. Thanks for any input.
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RSmith Posted - 05/01/2012 : 2:27:05 PM
Norm, the suspension IS quite palatable. "Pink Soup eh" ? lol I put mine on top of the food and the ones that won't eat it, down the old throat with syringe then give a half piece of bread for a treat. SOme will pick around at food, most chow their food right down no matter what I put on it.

Ive also put in in bread or soaked up on something but they learn quick.

IDK, I think it's the powder/granules that is the bastard. It sticks to the sides or floats and always end up with some left behind. So for that I mix with canola oil and it turns into a sort of suspension then add to top of food.
nwalek Posted - 05/01/2012 : 2:23:14 PM
how do you guys make the safequard suspension more palatable?
the pink soup doesn't seem to be a favorite meal for mine.
RSmith Posted - 05/01/2012 : 06:57:55 AM
On the stuff labled for cattle just make sure its at Least 10%. A lot of it I see labled for cattle is less than One percent. some crazy low number and when dogs are @50mg/Kg you would need a heck of a lot of it. Even at 10% solution you still need quite a bit like 11.5ml per 23Kg Dog for one dose.
I should look into whether fish stuff is regulated but I am doubting it.
musher81 Posted - 05/01/2012 : 02:48:07 AM
flyingalong-

I buy a one liter jug of liquid cattle Safeguard (fenbendazole) for about $115. It does my kennel of 22 for three days with enough leftover to deworm any problem dogs. Lots of online vet supply companies sell it. I use kvsuppy.com since they don't charge for shipping. I'd definitely be interested in trying to fish stuff as well, but I guess I'd want to know if it's really that pure.

Roy- do you know if fish dewormer is regulated by the USDA or FDA? There might be a way to track down the info.

Kristin
sallydawson Posted - 04/03/2012 : 8:40:39 PM
Thanks all for the great replies.

As for "scooping" - HA! half the time, the #$%$% dog in question "scoops" (eats) his own poop before it even hits the ground ! Especially when he sees me standing their with baggie in hand waiting to beat him to the 'clean up'...

That's the main cause of the problem! Which is why he is being put on a 'diet' of DE - at least through the summer, to see if we can stop the cycle. Will be interesting to see if the DE has any affect on the poop eating itself..... Probably not - he's has been very persistant and resistant through any number of 'cures'....

Sally
RSmith Posted - 04/03/2012 : 4:04:44 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Abenakimals

Yeh, I guess that is what I was trying to say: That it will take more of the standard 22.7% febendazole to deworm a dog than the 100% (or 99) febendazole.

I have no idea how to prove that the fish one is 99/100% though. ;-)



lol. Yeah I know Regina. Same here. How do we really prove the stuff is 100% or whatever. ?
For the price, it sure doesn't seem like it does it?
IDK, there arent too many de-wormers insoluable in water, and Fenbendazole sure is one of them. And this stuff I got claiming to be 100% isn't soluable in water either. So, who knows.
The 22% granules (prescription) in a One lb. tub was fairly inexpensive per-se. Still need prescription.

Heather says to believe them. lol
Labeled for fish.

Abenakimals Posted - 04/03/2012 : 3:16:12 PM
Yeh, I guess that is what I was trying to say: That it will take more of the standard 22.7% febendazole to deworm a dog than the 100% (or 99) febendazole.

I have no idea how to prove that the fish one is 99/100% though. ;-)
RSmith Posted - 03/30/2012 : 5:56:37 PM
Regina,
Last time I checked, A dose is a dose is a dose. Whether that be 5mg/kg, 10mg, 20mg/Kg.
The DOSE never changes. What DOES is the percent of the active ingredient. You HAVE to extrapolate your Percentages of active ingredient IN the stuff you have.

Example
DOSE : 50mg/Kg
Lets say your Dog is 23Kg.
Dog gets 1,150Mg of Fenbendazole 1X per day.

100% Powder contains 1000mg Fenbendazole per gram, so that 23Kg dog gets just over 1 gram of the 100% powder.
( 23 X 50 = 1,150/1000= 1.15gms)

22.7% Powder/granules contains 227mg Fenbendazole per gram. SO, dog gets just over 5 grams of the 22.7% granules
( 23 X 50 = 1,150/227 = 5.06 )

What I DO have a somewhat question is whether or not I am actually getting close to 100% Pharm. grade stuff when ordering the so called pure powder. ? Who knows. lol

Sally, that price is for a Kg. (2.2lbs)
1Million miligrams in a Kilogram.
1,150mg's per (50lb) dog.
divide the 1150mg into a Million and you get something like 869 dogs worth.

Dr. Tim explained the Whip worm cycle a bit, hard to break the cycle.


IDK, maybe I'm all F$$#@ed up here. Correct me if I'm wrong.
It's embedded in my brain from living with a P.A.


Abenakimals Posted - 03/30/2012 : 4:18:17 PM
I'm not exactly convinced that the dose of 99/100% fenbendazole is the same as what the published dosage says. When it says 50mg/kg I believe it applies to the standard 22.7% panacur/febendazole. Right??? Dr. Tim???
sallydawson Posted - 03/30/2012 : 3:57:27 PM
Hi Roy - just checked out your link for FENBENDANZOLE. Just how much are you getting for your $175.00? Got one dog for sure with whipworm, so probably his kennel mate as whip as well. Panacur from vet is $45.00 per dog! Yikes!

I do NOT have a de-worming program, as this is the first I have known of any kind of infestation. But if I need to start a regular program for all 9 dogs, I am going to be looking at $$.

Am also going to check into a regular regime of food grade Diatamaceous Earth.

Sally
RSmith Posted - 03/02/2010 : 09:02:46 AM
Powder form and since its close to 100%, it's easy I weigh it on a small gram scale and figure out how much is in a teaspoon,etc. I put into food. I think is 1/2 teaspoon for 50# don't quote me though.
100% contains 1000mg/g Fenbendazole.

Dose is always the same at 50mg/kg no matter WHAT form or percent you use.
Jeremy Gudgeon Posted - 03/01/2010 : 2:56:16 PM
Any chance you could explain exactly how the fish fenbendazole is packaged (powder, pills, etc.),and how you actually dose your dogs with it?
RSmith Posted - 02/16/2010 : 12:34:36 PM
http://www.fishchemical.com/Products-FENBENDAZOLE-1-Kilo-22943.Item.html

Dose is always going to be the same, published info for dogs is 50mg/Kg.

pcurtice Posted - 02/13/2010 : 10:02:45 PM
I am not postively sure I guess. But, I always thought that ivermectin was not effective against whips and is effective on round and hook, more so on round. I would resort to Fenbendazole for sure for whips. Guess I have to go back and review Dr. Vanek's comments....interesting.
flyinalong Posted - 02/11/2010 : 6:40:13 PM
Thanks for the info. Where do you get the Fenbendazole for fish? What is the dosage? Always something new to learn. thanks guys.

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